Growth and development

[David Hill]

O.K. I still think the spirit of it is o.k.

David

Jennifer I Clark wrote:

>
>> unicellular growth then??
>>
>> Really, bacterial growth is fine.
>
>
> I forgot about yeasts too. :-) Midori reminded me.
>
> Anyway, it was really the spirit of the plan I was trying to capture 
> rather than the details. We could do the details later. The main thing 
> I want to check is that Chris is happy with the idea of having sensu 
> used at such a high level. If he is then we can figure out what to do 
> about term names and things.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jen
>
>
>>
>> Pascale
>>
>> At 05:25 PM 4/28/2005 +0100, Jennifer I Clark wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pascale,
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why can't we have "growth prior to division " rather than 
>>>> "bacterial growth prior to division"?
>>>> The terms "bacterial growth, sensu eukaryotes" seems a bit 
>>>> counter-intuitive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I said 'bacteria' I really meant single-celled organism.
>>>
>>> I meant to make two terms:
>>>
>>> 1) one to cover the growth of single celled organisms, prior to 
>>> division, for organisms whose research community considers that that 
>>> kind of growth is part of development
>>> 2) one to cover the growth of single celled organisms, prior to 
>>> division, for organisms whose research community considers that that 
>>> kind of growth is _not_ part of development
>>>
>>> Does that help?
>>>
>>> Jen
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ??
>>>>
>>>> Pascale
>>>>
>>>> At 12:00 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, David Hill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think this is consistent with what we were thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> J Clark wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds as if we have a proposal here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently we are saying that some species research groups define 
>>>>>> the relationship between growth and development differently from 
>>>>>> other species research groups.
>>>>>> e.g. one group may say that the growth that occurs prior to 
>>>>>> bacterial division is developmental growth (e.g. pombe), whilst 
>>>>>> other research groups say that that kind of growth is not 
>>>>>> developmental growth (e.g. dicty).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The way were suggesting we'll deal with this is to represent 
>>>>>> individual instances of growth according to the view of the 
>>>>>> relevant research community and that we'll clarify things by 
>>>>>> adding synonyms. If a term 'x growth' needs to have a development 
>>>>>> parent as well as a growth parent then I add an exact synonym 'x 
>>>>>> developmental growth'. If a term 'x growth' does not need a 
>>>>>> development parent then it does not get the synonym. It seems to 
>>>>>> me that we might also need a sensu term as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [i]development
>>>>>> ---[p]developmental growth
>>>>>> ------[i]bacterial growth prior to division (sensu pombe?)
>>>>>>     exact_synonym: bacterial developmental growth prior         
>>>>>> to division
>>>>>> [i]growth
>>>>>> ---[i]bacterial growth prior to division (sensu dicty)
>>>>>> ---[i]developmental growth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a reasonable summary of the proposal we have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris: Would you be happy with the idea that one bacterial 
>>>>>> species may get a developmental parent for the growth it carries 
>>>>>> out prior to division, whilst another bacterial species will not? 
>>>>>> Would that addition of the synonym help with obol?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. I have now added documentation to the website on the 
>>>>>> difference between differentiation and cell development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> David P. Hill, Ph.D.
>>>>> Senior Scientific Curator
>>>>> Gene Expression Database
>>>>> Gene Ontology Consortium
>>>>> Mouse Genome Informatics
>>>>> The Jackson Laboratory
>>>>> 600 Main Street
>>>>> Bar Harbor, ME 04609-1500
>>>>> tel:207-288-6430
>>>>> htpp://www.informatics.jax.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>


-- 
David P. Hill, Ph.D.
Senior Scientific Curator
Gene Expression Database
Gene Ontology Consortium
Mouse Genome Informatics
The Jackson Laboratory
600 Main Street
Bar Harbor, ME 04609-1500
tel:207-288-6430
htpp://www.informatics.jax.org