Growth and development

[Pascale Gaudet]

Sorry I missed that.

What about swapping the term and synonym for 'unicellular organism 
developmental growth'? So that you would have two different terms? Can a 
term name be a synonym of another term?

I am just worried that you will create sensu terms for every unicellular 
organisms? That sounds like many terms.

Pascale


At 03:29 PM 5/25/2005 +0100, J Clark wrote:
>Hi Pascale,
>
>The thing is that without the sensu string the two terms will have the 
>same name. We have to add the sensu strings to differentiate between them.
>
>For the sensu string:
>Even with 'sensu Dictyosteliida' the other organism groups will still be 
>able to use the term because 'sensu Dictyosteliida' just means 'in the 
>sense of Dictyosteliida' and so is not restricted to annotation to 
>Dictyosteliida gene products.
>
>Jen
>
>Pascale Gaudet wrote:
>
>>I thought since the definition included " for organisms whose research 
>>community considers that that kind of growth _is_ part (or is_not_part) 
>>of development.", we didn't need sensu terms. I would be happy to share 
>>this term with other organisms!
>>Maybe in the comments you can add the different species that consider 
>>unicellular organism growth part of/not part of development, and not add 
>>sensu terms?
>>Pascale
>>
>>At 03:18 PM 5/25/2005 +0100, J Clark wrote:
>>
>>>Cool. What d'y think about the defs? Also I guess we use sensu 
>>>Dictyosteliida for one but I'm not really sure about the other.
>>>
>>>How about sensu Schizosaccharomyces? Val said that as a pombe person she 
>>>was happy to consider this kind of growth as part of development.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Jen
>>>
>>>Pascale Gaudet wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sounds good to me!
>>>>At 02:51 PM 5/25/2005 +0100, J Clark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Pascale,
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not sure why we need the 'prior to division' bit??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>True. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>'unicellular organism growth' then?
>>>>>
>>>>>as a child of 'cell growth'?
>>>>>
>>>>>Jen
>>>>>
>>>>>>At 02:20 PM 5/25/2005 +0100, J Clark wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Pascale,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes that seems like a good plan. I could add that parentage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you think the term string is okay as it is or could we have a 
>>>>>>>less clunky version?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pascale Gaudet wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jennifer,
>>>>>>>>This may be a bit off topic, but how does this term relates to 
>>>>>>>>'cell proliferation'? In the case of Dictyostelium, unicellular 
>>>>>>>>organism growth should probably be a child of cell proliferation 
>>>>>>>>(if the definition of cell proliferation gets fixed to remove the 
>>>>>>>>"rapid expansion" bit).
>>>>>>>>Pascale
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At 03:05 PM 5/24/2005 +0100, J Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've written to Chris several times over the last few weeks to ask 
>>>>>>>>>if he agrees with this proposal and I think he must just be too 
>>>>>>>>>busy to get back to us. In order not to hold things up any longer 
>>>>>>>>>I propose now to implement the proposal below (previous e-mail) in some form.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does anybody have any ideas for the term strings and sensu taxa 
>>>>>>>>>for these terms?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Term: unicellular organism growth prior to division    (sensu x)
>>>>>>>>>exact_synonym: unicellular organism developmental growth
>>>>>>>>>prior to division
>>>>>>>>>def: The growth of single celled organisms, prior to division, for 
>>>>>>>>>organisms whose research community considers that that kind of 
>>>>>>>>>growth _is_ part of development.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Term: unicellular organism growth prior to division
>>>>>>>>>(sensu y)
>>>>>>>>>def: The growth of single celled organisms, prior to division, for 
>>>>>>>>>organisms whose research community considers that that kind of 
>>>>>>>>>growth _is_not_ part of development.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>J Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>I have rewritten the proposal clarifying the two terms of interest.
>>>>>>>>>>Does this seem like a better representation?
>>>>>>>>>>If it does then would Chris be happy with the use of a sensu 
>>>>>>>>>>designation so high up in the DAG?
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>Jen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Proposal:
>>>>>>>>>>Currently we are saying that some species research groups that 
>>>>>>>>>>study single celled organisms
>>>>>>>>>>define the relationship between growth and development
>>>>>>>>>>differently from other species research groups.
>>>>>>>>>>e.g. one group may say that the growth that occurs prior to
>>>>>>>>>>  division of the single celled organsim is developmental growth 
>>>>>>>>>> (e.g. pombe),
>>>>>>>>>>whilst other research groups say that that kind of growth is
>>>>>>>>>>not developmental growth (e.g. dicty).
>>>>>>>>>>The way we're suggesting we'll deal with this is to represent
>>>>>>>>>>individual instances of growth according to the view of the
>>>>>>>>>>relevant research community and that we'll clarify things by
>>>>>>>>>>adding synonyms. If a term 'x growth' needs to have a
>>>>>>>>>>development parent as well as a growth parent then I add an
>>>>>>>>>>exact synonym 'x developmental growth'. If a term 'x growth'
>>>>>>>>>>does not need a development parent then it does not get the
>>>>>>>>>>synonym. It seems to me that we might also need a sensu term
>>>>>>>>>>as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>[i]development
>>>>>>>>>>---[p]developmental growth
>>>>>>>>>>------[i]unicellular organism growth prior to division
>>>>>>>>>>          (sensu x)
>>>>>>>>>>[i]growth
>>>>>>>>>>---[i]unicellular organism growth prior to division
>>>>>>>>>>       (sensu y)
>>>>>>>>>>---[i]developmental growth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Term: unicellular organism growth prior to division
>>>>>>>>>>       (sensu x)
>>>>>>>>>>exact_synonym: unicellular organism developmental growth
>>>>>>>>>>              prior to division
>>>>>>>>>>def: The growth of single celled organisms, prior to division, 
>>>>>>>>>>for organisms whose research community considers that that kind 
>>>>>>>>>>of growth _is_ part of development.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Term: unicellular organism growth prior to division
>>>>>>>>>>       (sensu y)
>>>>>>>>>>def: The growth of single celled organisms, prior to division, 
>>>>>>>>>>for organisms whose research community considers that that kind 
>>>>>>>>>>of growth _is_not_ part of development.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>EMBL - European Bioinformatics Institute,
>>>>>>>>>Gene Ontology Consortium,
>>>>>>>>>and Wolfson College, Cambridge.
>>>>>>>>>http://www.ebi.ac.uk/~jclark/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>EMBL - European Bioinformatics Institute,
>>>>>>>Gene Ontology Consortium,
>>>>>>>and Wolfson College, Cambridge.
>>>>>>>http://www.ebi.ac.uk/~jclark/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>EMBL - European Bioinformatics Institute,
>>>>>Gene Ontology Consortium,
>>>>>and Wolfson College, Cambridge.
>>>>>http://www.ebi.ac.uk/~jclark/
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>EMBL - European Bioinformatics Institute,
>>>Gene Ontology Consortium,
>>>and Wolfson College, Cambridge.
>>>http://www.ebi.ac.uk/~jclark/
>>
>
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>EMBL - European Bioinformatics Institute,
>Gene Ontology Consortium,
>and Wolfson College, Cambridge.
>http://www.ebi.ac.uk/~jclark/